ABC's of Salvation

[Schlup]

Letter A:
ALL people are sinners.
Romans 3:23
"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

Letter B:
The BIBLE is God's word of love and salvation.
John 20:31
"but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name."

Letter C:
The CONDITION of sinners is serious.
II Thessalonians 2:12
"that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Letter D:
Christ DIED to save sinners.
Romans 5:8
"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Letter E:
EVERYONE who believes will have eternal life.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

Letter F:
We are saved through FAITH.
Romans 1:17
"For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written,  “The just shall live by faith."

Letter G:
GOOD WORKS will not save us.
Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

Letter H:
HELL and punishment await unbelievers.
II Thessalonians 1:8-9
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,"

Letter I:
Nothing is IMPOSSIBLE for God.
Luke 1:37
"For with God nothing will be impossible."

Letter J:
There is JOY in heaven over one sinner who repents.
Luke 15:10
"Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

Letter K:
If we trust God, he will KEEP us from sin.
Jude 24
" Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling,
And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy"

Letter L:
God LOVES sinners and wants to save them.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

Letter M:
God has MERCY on unbelievers.
Romans 11:32
"For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all."

Letter N:
Jesus is the only NAME by which we can be saved.
Acts 4:12
"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Letter O:
We show God we love him by OBEYING his commandments.
I John 5:3
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."

Letter P:
God is PATIENT with unbelievers.
II Peter 3:9
"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."

Letter Q:
Those who don't believe should QUICKLY decide to follow Jesus.
II Corinthians 6:2
"For He says:In an acceptable time I have heard you, and in the day of salvation I have helped you"

Letter R:
Christians have a reason to REJOICE.
Luke 10:20
"Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven."

Letter S:
The Bible, the SCRIPTURES, can teach us how to be saved.
II Timothy 3:15
"and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."

Letter T:
We should give THANKS to God for the wonderful gift of salvation.
II Corinthians 9:15
"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!"

Letter U:
The Holy Spirit helps us UNDERSTAND God's word.
I Corinthians 2:12
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God."

Letter V:
Jesus has gained VICTORY over death for us.
I Corinthians 15:54
"So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written:  “Death is swallowed up in victory"

Letter W:
WHOEVER calls on Jesus will be saved.
Acts 2:21
"And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved."

Letter Y:
God loves YOU so much that he calls YOU his child.
I John 3:1
"Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God!"

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[KingpinQuinn]

This is awesome. I personaly have been saved for about ten years now, and I gotta say, it's the best thing htat has ever happened to me.

[zigzag]

Haha, I was baptized Mormon, don't know if that counts.. Trying to find a church that doesn't mislead..

-Zigster

[KingpinQuinn]

yea, it's hard to tell who'se preaching is right and whose is wrong... thats why the Bible is always the best place to start, cuz it never lies

[Sir-diealot]

Haha, I was baptized Mormon, don't know if that counts.. Trying to find a church that doesn't mislead..

-Zigster

I would find a good independent fundamental Bible believing salvation preaching Baptist church. Make sure it is KJV only

[CptainCrunch]

OMG. The type of bible you use has nothing to do with misleading or salvation. The only way you can not be mislead is to study the Word for yourself and use the entire Bible as a reference on those that preach. Its not easy and finding a good church is a way to start, but is only a small step in what you need to do.

BTW, the KJV has been edited at least 15 times since its creation in 1611.

Crunch

[Monkey_Grill]

I use the NKJV, I think it's best.

[Schlup]

Uhh what is KJV and NKJV?

[CptainCrunch]

Uhh what is KJV and NKJV?

King James Version and New King James Version.

The NKJV was created to "update" the language of the KJV. It was still very similiar though. It was created in 1975.

Crunch

[Sir-diealot]

King James version and New King James version. If you go to the type of church I said they use the 1611 version. Only version that can be trusted.

[Sir-diealot]

Uhh what is KJV and NKJV?

King James Version and New King James Version.

The NKJV was created to "update" the language of the KJV. It was still very similiar though. It was created in 1975.

Crunch

It did much more than updated it it watered it down big time.

[Monkey_Grill]

Can't understand with all the Thy, Thou, etc. Paul's epistles are already hard to understand.

[Sir-diealot]

Can't understand with all the Thy, Thou, etc. Paul's epistles are already hard to understand.

Not the least bit difficult when the Holy Spirit is leading you.

[CptainCrunch]

Can't understand with all the Thy, Thou, etc. Paul's epistles are already hard to understand.

Thats why you continue to study and work toward it. That is one of the problems with the KJVs is that the wording doesnt always make sense. Thats why its good to have a few different bibles and a concordance to look up things to be sure that is what you think it may mean.

As for the holy spirit leading you, the apostles had the holy spirit and they didnt understand what Jesus was doing most the time. It wasnt until Jesus told them (a teacher) or they prayed and meditated (study) on it that they then understood.

Crunch

[Sir-diealot]

Can't understand with all the Thy, Thou, etc. Paul's epistles are already hard to understand.

Thats why you continue to study and work toward it. That is one of the problems with the KJVs is that the wording doesnt always make sense. Thats why its good to have a few different bibles and a concordance to look up things to be sure that is what you think it may mean.

As for the holy spirit leading you, the apostles had the holy spirit and they didnt understand what Jesus was doing most the time. It wasnt until Jesus told them (a teacher) or they prayed and meditated (study) on it that they then understood.

Crunch

Well they seemed to understand fine after he was gone and that is because the Holy Spirit was not with them until Jesus was crusified and then he gave them the Holy Spirit to guide them. The wording makes perfect sense when you are letting the Holy Spirit lead you.
1 Corinthians, chapter 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[CptainCrunch]

Can't understand with all the Thy, Thou, etc. Paul's epistles are already hard to understand.

Thats why you continue to study and work toward it. That is one of the problems with the KJVs is that the wording doesnt always make sense. Thats why its good to have a few different bibles and a concordance to look up things to be sure that is what you think it may mean.

As for the holy spirit leading you, the apostles had the holy spirit and they didnt understand what Jesus was doing most the time. It wasnt until Jesus told them (a teacher) or they prayed and meditated (study) on it that they then understood.

Crunch

Well they seemed to understand fine after he was gone and that is because the Holy Spirit was not with them until Jesus was crucified and then he gave them the Holy Spirit to guide them. The wording makes perfect sense when you are letting the Holy Spirit lead you.
1 Corinthians, chapter 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

After Christ was gone they still had problems. Paul had to write to Peter admonishing him for sanctioning circumcision, from the Jewish law, into practice with the Christian practices. Both had the Holy Spirit guiding them and yet one took a wrong turn. You can read that in Galations 1:11-14.

2 Peter, chapter 1:3-11 tells us to be sure of our calling and that we are to be remindful to continue in diligence and knowledge as well as how to guard ourselves against falling.

My entire point in this is that the Holy Spirit does intercede for us and does help and aide us in many different ways, but without knowledge and understanding of the word of God, you can be led astray as well. The Bible only mentions one Holy Spirit and one head of the Church, yet look at the Christian community. It is divided, doing different things and worshiping different ways. They all claim the Holy Spirit leads them. Yet it can not be so.

This very forum talks about different Bibles and churches not teaching the truth that is there. As a brother in Christ, I BEG everyone to study and learn all that you can. You dont have to know it all in a day, but continue to grow each year with further understanding and to guard yourselves. Some things you wont fully understand, but that is not because you are lacking the Holy Spirit. It is because it can be confusing and daunting, especially when you dont know where to start. 1 Corinthians Chapter 3:2 and Hebrews 5:12-14 mentions being a child in Christ needing milk, but as you grow you move to meat.

Crunch

[Sir-diealot]

Can't understand with all the Thy, Thou, etc. Paul's epistles are already hard to understand.

Thats why you continue to study and work toward it. That is one of the problems with the KJVs is that the wording doesnt always make sense. Thats why its good to have a few different bibles and a concordance to look up things to be sure that is what you think it may mean.

As for the holy spirit leading you, the apostles had the holy spirit and they didnt understand what Jesus was doing most the time. It wasnt until Jesus told them (a teacher) or they prayed and meditated (study) on it that they then understood.

Crunch

Well they seemed to understand fine after he was gone and that is because the Holy Spirit was not with them until Jesus was crucified and then he gave them the Holy Spirit to guide them. The wording makes perfect sense when you are letting the Holy Spirit lead you.
1 Corinthians, chapter 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

After Christ was gone they still had problems. Paul had to write to Peter admonishing him for sanctioning circumcision, from the Jewish law, into practice with the Christian practices. Both had the Holy Spirit guiding them and yet one took a wrong turn. You can read that in Galations 1:11-14.

2 Peter, chapter 1:3-11 tells us to be sure of our calling and that we are to be remindful to continue in diligence and knowledge as well as how to guard ourselves against falling.

My entire point in this is that the Holy Spirit does intercede for us and does help and aide us in many different ways, but without knowledge and understanding of the word of God, you can be led astray as well. The Bible only mentions one Holy Spirit and one head of the Church, yet look at the Christian community. It is divided, doing different things and worshiping different ways. They all claim the Holy Spirit leads them. Yet it can not be so.

This very forum talks about different Bibles and churches not teaching the truth that is there. As a brother in Christ, I BEG everyone to study and learn all that you can. You dont have to know it all in a day, but continue to grow each year with further understanding and to guard yourselves. Some things you wont fully understand, but that is not because you are lacking the Holy Spirit. It is because it can be confusing and daunting, especially when you dont know where to start. 1 Corinthians Chapter 3:2 and Hebrews 5:12-14 mentions being a child in Christ needing milk, but as you grow you move to meat.

Crunch

He went the wrong way for the same reason many of us have gone astray. God created us with this wild crazy thing called choice. You can be led by the Holy Spirit but if you choose not to hear him that is where you run into troubles. Ans far as milk and meat go yes the Bible says you need those but it does not tell you to take in spoiled milk and rancid meat as it will make you sick which is exactly why you should only use the KJV as the others are all tainted and came from manuscripts that were literally found in a garbage heap because the transcriptors (Sorry I know it is not a word but the proper word eludes me at this time) felt them to be in error and thus garbage.

[zigzag]

I used to watch shepard chapel on tv, some show from arkansas... he was pretty good, he would go down to the hebrew meanings and explain then..

like where it says feareth<sp?> God.. well back in Hebrew it has the meaning of reverence, not fear.. like alot of people think..

I have also studied with the Jehova's a bit.. where I like some of their direction/ideas, but dont agree with the other half.. The Mormons are nice people, and again have some nice direction and family oriented.. but I don't believe in the book of Mormon or the idea of church voted modern prophets..

Apostolic faith, been there too... but they get a bit crazy acting for me.. talking in tongues and some guy was praying and beating his head against a chair whilst on his knees..

There is so many, I dont know what to choose for a church.. but as for the bible, doesnt it say something like worship God in his temple, and isn't your body God's temple so to speak.. so I think as long as you study the bible, and your soul.. that one doesnt really need to goto man's churches. I believe studying someone elses interpretation can be misleading, best to get your meaning out of the bible, and study for yourself..

thats my take any how .. 

-Zig

[CptainCrunch]

He went the wrong way for the same reason many of us have gone astray. God created us with this wild crazy thing called choice. You can be led by the Holy Spirit but if you choose not to hear him that is where you run into troubles. Ans far as milk and meat go yes the Bible says you need those but it does not tell you to take in spoiled milk and rancid meat as it will make you sick which is exactly why you should only use the KJV as the others are all tainted and came from manuscripts that were literally found in a garbage heap because the transcriptors (Sorry I know it is not a word but the proper word eludes me at this time) felt them to be in error and thus garbage.

You are exactly correct Die. We have the choice to be led by the Holy Spirit. It is part of God's plan for us to have free will and choice. I dont think Peter chose not to hear the Holy Spirit, but gave in to the pressure of the Jews and allowed the change of the Christian law. He did not stand firm. This has shown that the Holy Spirit cannot FORCE us to do things. If so, it would take away our free will and go against God and His plan. That is why I used 2 Peter Chapter 1:3-11. We must be on guard and continue to seek knowledge and grow in Christ and the Word to better protect ourselves.

As for your comment on the KJV Bible; I respect that you chose to use the one Bible and there is nothing wrong with someone chosing one Bible. There is no scripture stating what translation is to be used. Let me repeat that; "There is NO scripture stating what translation is to be used. If there is one thing that I have learned from the Bible is that man makes mistakes, even the Apostles. I have chosen to use multiple translations and reference them in my studies. They help me better understand a passage I may have a problem grasping. Over the centuries the English language has changed quite a bit and words that meant something then do not necesarily mean something today. One of my shortcomings is that I did not learn the english of then and I want to be sure that I am understanding the meanings of the words.

The KJV is a translation from the Bishops Bible so that the "common" man could study the word and learn from it as well. The KJV has been edited at least 15 times since the original. Which version is "pure"? Should we go back to the Bishop Bible since that was the source or is the 3rd edit better? Maybe the last edit is the way to go as it is the most recent of the KJV and the others were "rancid"? With me using multiple Bibles, I can check to make sure that a passage that I am studying is correct and if a Bible I have is vastly different, I can guard against it. All Bibles have some errors in them or translational differences.  This one Bible had major difference that drastically changed Gods word. It was called the Wicked Bible which was a KJV edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible. Showing that mistakes can be made and having another source to go by makes it easier to catch a problem or to better understand it.

Anyway, this new discussion is going a bit off topic from the original reasons for my reply. Again, there is nothing wrong with chosing one Bible and is everyones personal preference. God gave us choice and reason to help us learn the Word and to become more Christ-like. Im in the computer industry and looking up above me, I have 13 different books on networking and 7 different books on the Windows Operating. All say the same things. All have mistakes. All have different views and good ideas. As a hobbie, I beekeep, I have 3 books on beekeeping. Same for all of them. Why would you want to rest your soul on only one translation and hope its correct?

To ZigZag; You are correct on the Church and the Temple, but there is more to it then that. I will create a new topic on that.

Peace to all, Brothers

Crunch

Crunch

[Sir-diealot]

Well Crunch to lay it right out and make people mad at me I will tell you what I believe with all my heart. All translations other than the KJV 1611 are not Bibles but are merely books and I believe they come straight from the hand of Satan. Oh and in reference to the different books on the other subjects that is what makes them different, they are books whereas the KJV is the word of God and to be the ONLY guide.

[CptainCrunch]

Well Crunch to lay it right out and make people mad at me I will tell you what I believe with all my heart. All translations other than the KJV 1611 are not Bibles but are merely books and I believe they come straight from the hand of Satan. Oh and in reference to the different books on the other subjects that is what makes them different, they are books whereas the KJV is the word of God and to be the ONLY guide.

Die, I dont think anyone will be mad at you for stating that. I am not and I am very conservative minded. If you believe that, that is your choice and nothing I can say or do will ever change it. I only hope that I softened your heart for at least later down the road for I showed you the mistakes Bibles can have and I presented the fact that the KJV is a translation from another Bible and not a direct translation.

I also knew that what I said would probably not change your mind or heart in any way, shape, or form. My comments are toward others that may read this and worry that they are reading a book "of Satan". In the church I attend we have people that say the same things about different Bibles.

In the end though it is your decision and, as I said before, I respect that. As for me, I believe you have to guard yourself against the mistakes of man and I dont believe having only one book to do it is the way to do it at all.

Crunch

[Covelle]

This is a great thread fellas. I recently purchased this bible for home study:
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It has totally changed the way I read the Bible and I get so much more understanding as I read on my own. It's like having the pastor in my living room to explain some of the more difficult concepts to me. I think as long as we believe that scripture is 'Word of God', 'The Truth and the Light' and never try to add more or take away from it, we'll be alright. I think the Holy Spirit will reveal passages and their meanings to us as we grow in our Christian walk.

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