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Author Topic: GTX470 card gets nekkid and thrashed  (Read 522 times)
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Stuntin
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« on: March 05, 2010, 11:06:35 AM »

Not as impressive as the GTX 480
by Lars-Göran Nilsson

March 4, 2010

IT DIDN'T TAKE long before pictures of the GTX470 card without a heatsink appeared, following the tantalizing pictures of the GTX480 that came out on Tuesday. However, what's even more interesting is that early benchmark figures have finally leaked and it's not looking good for Nvidia.

ComputerBase.de scored some pictures of a GTX470 in the nude, as well as a GTX480, and it makes it very easy to compare the two models. As we mentioned in the GTX480 piece on Tuesday, the card uses a 3, 4, 3 memory layout and the card is said to use a 320-bit memory interface, rather than the 384-bit interface used by the GTX480. The GTX470 has only a four phase power regulation design and this is located at the lower part of the PCB which is a very unusual design. Part of the reason for this appears to be the two big cut-outs for the fan to be able to draw in air through, which strangely enough are bigger than the similar cut-outs on the GTX480.

The memory gets to make do with single phase power regulation and as with the GTX480, there’s no NVIO chip in sight here either. The cooler as we already mentioned is quite different as well, as not only does it lack the heatpipes of the GTX480, but it’s also very obvious that the heatsink has a copper surface, something that isn’t clear on the GTX480 cooler. The mounts are also slightly different, but this makes sense as the PCB’s are so different.

The benchmark figures are from two different sources, respected German publication Heise.de and Chiphell’s forum. Heise.de states that the card scores somewhere between a Radeon HD5850 and an HD5870 in 3DMark Vantage in X-mode, tested on an unspecified system. The GTX470 scores 7,511 points, while the HD5870 bests it with 8,730 points, while the HD5850 falls short by about 1,000 points at 6,430. However, when you switch to the default settings things take a slightly different turn of events with the GTX470 scoring 17,156 points compared to 17,303 for the HD5870 and a low(!) 14,300 for the HD5850.

Chiphell on the other hand offers a 3DMark 06 result, but the system is using a Core 2 Duo E8190 processor that operates at a fairly slow 2.66GHz and the system had only 2GB of RAM. Here we see a result of a mere 13,264 points, with a Shader Model 2.0 score of 5,699 and HDR/Shader Model 3.0 score of 7,569. Taking into account the CPU score of 2,486, we’d say that the card was CPU limited in this specific test.

Heise.de also has some Unigine DirectX 11 results testing out the tessellation performance of the GTX470. The Nvidia card managed 29 fps compared to 22 fps for the HD5850 and 27 fps for the HD5870. Throw in 8x anti-aliasing and these scores drop to 20 fps, 19 fps and 23 fps respectively. The Shaders, or CUDA cores if you prefer, were supposedly running at 1,255MHz with the GDDR5 memory clocked at 1,600MHz or 3,200MHz effectively.

Interestingly Heise.de approached Nvidia and asked it how many Shaders/CUDA cores the GTX480 will ship with and Nvidia refused to comment. This suggests that the GTX480 might ship with less than 512 Shaders enabled, but the GTX470 has been confirmed to have 448 Shaders if you believe a screen shot that appeared on Chinese website yesky (post 7). The NDA for Fermi is set to expire on the 27th of March and Nvidia’s European PR “guy” (his words, not ours) Igor Stanek, has confirmed this on Twitter.
tehfunk101
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 12:31:50 PM »

PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN
Stuntin
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 12:40:26 PM »

http://www.semiaccurate.com/static/uploads/2010/03_march/nekkid_GTX470.jpg
GTX470 card gets nekkid and thrashed


More Info: http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/04/gtx-470-pcb-gets-nekkid-put-through-thrashing/
tehfunk101
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 12:44:03 PM »

thats a very strange pcb, but wheres the benchmarks!
Stuntin
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 12:45:04 PM »

Cant benchmarks something thats broken :p
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2010, 01:51:51 PM »

Well this is interesting and brings up a good topic.  If the 480 doesn't beat the 5870 then the 495 probably won't beat the 5970.  So if that's the case do you just go ahead and get a 5970, or do you wait for the 6XXX series cards from ATI coming out later this year?  I hate to say it but ATI may keep the performance crown for a while.  I'm very disappointed in these results...though I'm not quite sure they are legit, this is more of a "what if" statement.  Back when Fermi was first announced it was said they would be between 6x and 15x times more powerful than the current generation (200 series cards), this by all means isn't going to happen and it won't even be close.  This is a big fail for nVidia and I'm quite upset about it...I may switch over to the "red" team before long...since I am quite a fan of their CPU's...

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2010, 02:47:12 PM »

for all we know this is some plot by ATI,  injecting rumors into the PC community to turn people off about the Nvidia cards and buy an ATI card instead of waiting.  All this speculation and etc is really pointless, we need to wait until the card is actually released, then we can talk!
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2010, 02:58:50 PM »

i already have 2 5970 in cf but i will be buying a 400 s card just for testing im not gonna pay the full price i know a few forums who sell used cards and i know some will be up for sale..But depending on how fast they go it might be a price craz like the 5970 was going @ 800
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2010, 03:18:37 PM »

Good luck buying used cards with no warranty...I think you're just asking for trouble especially at that price.

Stuntin
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2010, 04:03:52 PM »

As long as its a xfx card im fine i only pick up used xfx that way the warranty caan be tranfered to me
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 04:24:41 PM »

I wasn't aware that XFX cards had transferable warranties, that's good to know.

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2010, 04:48:37 PM »

Yea as long as they already been regestered it fine but if not i wont buy them
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 07:41:04 PM »

Ok, so in order for that warranty to be transferable the card had to be registered by it's original owner correct?  How do you verify they actually registered it?

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2010, 11:15:03 AM »

gotta take there word..lol
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2010, 11:37:29 AM »

I guess it depends on how much you are saving.  To me it sounds fishy, why would someone buy a brand new top of the line card and turn around and sell it for a loss?  Doesn't make sense, I would never buy something like that.  It's 100% a gamble, you don't know what they did to the card or if they voided the warranty by opening up the card or overclocking it and burning it up.

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2010, 05:33:44 PM »

or someone ripped off a store of a bunch!!
and then is selling them on craigs list

you get what you pay for
99.9% of the time

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