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« on: March 31, 2010, 02:12:11 AM »

An organization known as the US Copyright Group has issued lawsuits against thousands of alleged movie pirates. The organization represents an alliance of independent film producers, with backing from the Independent Film & Television Alliance. The group is expected to file another round of lawsuits (possible as many as 30,000) in the coming weeks. The really troubling thing here is almost all of these are so called “John Doe” cases with IPs as the only identifying information. The group is trying to force ISPs to hand over names. Thus far, only one ISP has cooperated, resulting in 71 names. Using so called “pre-settlement” letters; the US Copyright Group has so far gotten five of those people to pony up some cash.

This scheme seems to be aimed at casting the widest possible net to increase the odds of scaring someone enough that they settle an automated lawsuit.  This practice has been common in Europe for some time, but this is the first time it has reached American shores. Even the RIAA has abandoned suing individuals, but this new trend is growing. "We're creating a revenue stream and monetizing the equivalent of an alternative distribution channel,” said lawyer Jeffrey Weaver.

The US Copyright Group is using a new software technology that monitors large Torrent swarms and logs IP addresses. By moving ahead with these large numbers, they hope to reach a stable cost/benefit ratio. They really do see this as a revenue stream. Unfortunately, this means ISPs have a huge burden to be the middle men processing the complaints. Does anyone want to play devil’s advocate and defend this practice?

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Thousands of Torrent Users Targeted by New Legal Action


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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 07:39:39 AM »

Make your films cheaper as well as more available to the public and your piracy issue will no longer be as prevalent. Along with those steps, don't wait months before releasing a finished product, release on DVD/Blu-Ray quickly and everyone will be happier.

Along with that, we need another drop in the cost of DVD's/Blu-Ray's because they are starting to climb again. Same with music...$10 for a CD yet the DIGITAL DOWNLOAD is more than a $1 per song...Where were the days of a 7 minute song that had more talent buried into it, more quality, more pretty much everything.
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 08:46:50 AM »

They aren't bartering here, they are suing and they don't care why you did what you did if you downloaded something illegally.

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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 10:05:45 AM »

Piracy is piracy no matter how you rationalize it, it's still stealing in the end.  What I find funny is there is no way to prove exactly WHO was doing the downloading.  They have IP's and perhaps can get the name on the ISP Account but that still doesn't prove who did the downloading....could be anyone, and therefor not a leg to stand on as far as I am concerned.  I would argue that it was someone who doesn't live in the house.  As far as I am concerned it's a waste of time, and once again the only people getting rich are the lawyers who handle the suits.  I really do not like Lawyers...everybody should boycott them and use the ole fashioned mediation way.....why put your ca$h in a Lawyers pocket?

The Music Companies, movie companies and gaming companies have been blaming their prices on piracy for years. The reality is that they are all rich, spoiled millionaires who need more money to pay off the ex-Wives and alimony. We also pay a royalty fee on blank media ;  I think it's BS and another method for inflating profits. 



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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 10:39:11 AM »

Well they would argue that it is the owner of the internet account's responsibility.  They need to secure it so they know who and what is being accessed by it.

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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 10:53:50 AM »

I'm sure they'd come up with all sorts of ideas.....which may all make sense but you can't charge somebody based on "speculation".  I just don't think it would fly unless they have visible proof to target a specific user or person, rather than an ISP account.  I could even argue that someone hitched a ride on my Wifi.....seriously, it's a joke.

Reminds of when Metallica closed Napster down the hypocrites.  Since then I have boycotted every thing that band did and haven't bought one CD since.  They pretty much single handidly ruined Napster, but it was okay for them to have "borrowed" material in their songs....seriously, GREEDY, HYPOCRITES!!



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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2010, 11:20:54 AM »

It's the same principal as if you let your kid borrow your car and he hits somebody and kills them.  Under civil you are liable for that because it was your car and you let them use it.  Same can be said if you just left your car unlocked outside with a banner on it that said, hey free car, please use if you'd like to, which is my analogy for your wifi piggy backer, your wifi should be secured.  Now if someone hacked into your wifi, that would be considered stealing and would be acted upon similarly to someone stealing your car and hitting somebody, you wouldn't be liable for that.  No matter how stupid it might be, they are acting within the laws here and people are either going to settle with them or get stuck paying millions of dollars when they are found guilty in court.

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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 11:28:42 AM »

i dont buy movies i go to library and get them for free and if they dont have it here where i live they will get it from another Library and have it sent to your main branch so they gonna sue the Library for copyright infringement and the main reason loss of revenue

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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2010, 01:27:15 PM »

The library pays for those movies and are simply lending them out.  They are not copying the content so it is legal.  You can watch just not copy.

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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2010, 03:04:09 PM »

then they really should go after every company that puts out a commercial dvd ripper or dvd converter program  its like dope if they could clean up all the suppliers then the users would be out of luck   and there was a company called xcopy that the dvd movie industry did put out of bussiness through the courts  its like normal though it it comes and goes

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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2010, 03:21:11 PM »

i mean come on everyone has download something in there life illegally. The movie companies and cd companies still make bank, i still see MTV cribs on tv so they cant be hurting that much.

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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2010, 04:04:49 PM »

Since when have you known rich people not to want to get richer?

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 04:35:49 PM »

There is a *great* Southpark episode about piracy, everyone needs to watch it!

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 06:28:38 PM »

no i know and i understand that, i just think them cracking down on this is retarded.  Im just saying the US has alot of other problems that are way more important to worry about

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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 07:44:03 AM »

It's the same principal as if you let your kid borrow your car and he hits somebody and kills them.  Under civil you are liable for that because it was your car and you let them use it.  Same can be said if you just left your car unlocked outside with a banner on it that said, hey free car, please use if you'd like to, which is my analogy for your wifi piggy backer, your wifi should be secured.  Now if someone hacked into your wifi, that would be considered stealing and would be acted upon similarly to someone stealing your car and hitting somebody, you wouldn't be liable for that.  No matter how stupid it might be, they are acting within the laws here and people are either going to settle with them or get stuck paying millions of dollars when they are found guilty in court.
I just want to point out that this is not the same case in a lawsuit based on Copyright Infringement. If you have a WiFi connection out in the open, even with an SSID and WEP/WPA/etc. people are still able to get into the network. I personally have a non-hidden SSID with a WEP key...why, because I have gone down the road of MAC filtering, hidden SSID's and WPA/2 security configuration and you know what, it is a major pain to keep configured, especially if people want to borrow the net on their htc or iPhone, etc.

When you are talking about Copyright Infringement via a documented IP with an ISP. If that home has a wireless router installed and they are in a very well populated neighborhood (see: apartment complex, duplex, densely packed housing, etc) it is 100% impossible to prove WHO was using the network to steal that content...AND...if you have your own SSID with a WEP key, that is enough security that you can say you "tried" to prevent people from connecting to the internet via your service.

With that said, unless you are the 0.5% of people that have a high-end router with logging enabled on traffic throughput connections (MAC based Destination/Source) your router doesn't have the information they are required to provide to the court in order to convict you.

Now with THAT said, have fun trying to find 75% of people who have High Speed Internet in their homes guilty of this...especially if they have this knowledge and they get a good attorney.
no i know and i understand that, i just think them cracking down on this is retarded.  Im just saying the US has alot of other problems that are way more important to worry about
I agree, we have thousands of other topics that should be discussed before this gets hit. Brick and Mortar stores as well as online sales of media (ie, Movies, Music, Games) are still making money...and lots of it. So I don't want to hear of you suing anybody for downloading a song off the internet and then try to justify it with they are stealing from your profits.

If you want to stop the stealing you need to give better AND cheaper methods to obtain these products. There isn't a 3-5+% cost-of-living increase for no reason, the reason is people trying to make more and more money...just STOP, your making enough as it is.

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